Arthur and Kevin's Nellorat ([info]nellorat) wrote,
@ 2008-07-13 20:34:00
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Exercise: My Friends' List is Made of Win!
Thanks so much for everyone's encouragement and--even more!--advice about exercising. Btw, I used to avoid the term "exercise," which is what fat people have to do in order to be acceptably not fat, saying "physical activity" instead, but now I'm getting used to the term "exercise."

Besides the sizist associations, I have disliked the idea of doing physical things that are pointless except for being exercise. However, yes it is, and I think I have to accept that. Also, I'm more mellow because when I was out gardening the other day, I noticed that our neighborhood is full of older people walking comfortably, presumably for health--and no dogged young fat people obviously slogging to lose weight--which I think is very cool.

I really like the idea--brought up by [info]machineplay and [info]redbird--that I don't have to do the same amount of time every day, but can have long days & short days. So I don't wimp out too much, I think I'll make the minimum on the treadmill 10 minutes, but try to vary that with longer days. This was consonant with [info]gramina's excellent link and the idea of going up even by single minutes (but I like being able to go "back down" a little.)

Also, [info]aquaeri's point about going a little more slowly is spot-on. You put the two together, and tonight I trod for 17 minutes, just a bit less fast but it made a big difference, and I don't feel obliged to match (or exceed) that next time.

Second big wonderful idea is thinking of the time not in terms of its benefit per se, but in terms of building a habit, as said by [info]gerisullivan, [info]daedala, and [info]esmeraldus_neo. For that reason, I've decided I really need to tread even if I'm gardening. Eventually, if I tread for 50 minutes and want to garden for two to three (my usual), I may not have that much free time some days! However, that is a ways off, so I can deal with it then.

I was inspired by [info]wild_patience, who started off even easier than I am and now bikes all over! On the other hand, I am not inspired to try an elliptical, at least not for a long, long while. Actually, I did a little prayer while treading yesterday, and the response is, "You really should be dancing." Right now I'm not in good enough shape, but yes, I used to often do, to inspiring music, an idiosyncratic blend of yoga, tai chi, acrobatics, and shaking my booty, and it was good for me emotionally and spiritually as well as physically. Maybe again, in the future.

Speaking of music--[info]dreamshark and [info]quility, you don't have to worry about me getting bored. One thing in favor of the treadmill is it's right in front of the TV, now with a VRC and soon to have a DVD player as well. So far I've been treading to Peter Gabriel videos, which I enjoy and find very moving. I'm hoping to talk [info]womzilla into downloading other nice music videos--walking to the Discovery "Boom Da Yadda" commercial, double plus yes! Also, [info]noveldevice, I'm more likely to injure myself on an actual street, since I tend to trip if the surface is uneven. Even surface=I can just pay attention to the TV, not to walking.

Some of you, such as [info]wcg, are intimidatingly in shape. I used to be--a couple-three times in my life, maybe even four or five, a long time ago now. I took extensive training in acrobatics when I was young, and that's been enough to keep me in reasonable shape or at least able to get into reasonable shape relatively easily through my early forties, but one's forties are not one's fifties, and ten years may be the longest I've gone unexercised. OK, a woman in an incredibly sedentary job cannot stay in shape by gardening & sex alone!

Mood: resigned, semi-inspired


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[info]aquaeri
2008-07-14 08:04 am UTC (link)
Dancing - movement that comes from inside - is very good, as you say emotionally and spiritually as well as physically. I hope you can get back to that.

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[info]nellorat
2008-07-14 01:20 pm UTC (link)
Yes--thanks for the encouragement!!

It's not just strength etc., I realized--it's almost as though I've mostly lost the whole concept of expressing myself through motion (except during sex); I do think I'm getting that back while treadmilling to a good song, feeling and enjoying the rhythm in my body, especially the solar plexus area. I actually made my neck a bit sore tossing my head to "Shock the Monkey"! If I'd almost lost it, then I really do need to be doing this, not just for the diabetes. In fact, I think things like this loss are what we think of as "growing old," and here it may not be necessary at all.

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[info]dabble
2008-07-14 12:04 pm UTC (link)
This is inspiring.

I have been using the excuse that it is raining here to put off e.x.e.r.c.i.s.i.n.g. Yes, my fat self has trouble with this word too. I have realised that as much as I like walking it makes me nervous. I can't get into a rhythm for fear that I will stumble and destroy one or both of my ankles again. Even little turns with this weight behind it turns them black and leaves me crippled for weeks. Even a treadmill makes me nervous. Tomorrow I will visit the second hand shop for a piece of equipment that will suit me. Probably just a bike that I can plod along inside with.

All these great words from your friends will inspire me too.

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[info]nellorat
2008-07-14 01:01 pm UTC (link)
You do have to take care of those ankles, not just because of weight (which is a mechanical stress) but mainly because they are vulnerable after past trouble.

I'm not sure what exercise would be best--a physical therapist would know for sure, as might other people in the fat-acceptance community. Actually, I know that swimming or exercise in the pool is probably the best; and while it's less likely to cause weight loss than non-water exercise, it's just as good for your health, muscles, etc. (Also, you have to go somewhere, rather than doing it at home, which makes it a bit harder to do.) My guess is that a stationary bike might be OK--puts some stress on the ankles, but not turning or twisting. Maybe walking but with ankle supports?

Good vibes sent your way. I can honestly say that were it not for my diabetes, I would not be striving to exercise--not now, with a fulfilling but tiring job & writing I want to do but don't have time for. I'd know it was a good idea, but I wouldn't have quite the motivation! It's easier to develop the habit when one is younger that 50, too. Yet [info]supergee started at 61, and he's The Walking Man every day!

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I have disliked the idea of doing physical things that are pointless except for being exercise.
[info]porcinea
2008-07-14 12:08 pm UTC (link)
Oh! Me, too. I adore dancing, and walking, and weight-lifting, as meditative pursuits and ends in themselves.

I'm trying to get our family into a walking in the evening mode. I used to walk with my mother after dinner. It was such a joy to get into the open air and take in the evening sights.

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Re: I have disliked the idea of doing physical things that are pointless except for being exercise.
[info]nellorat
2008-07-14 01:07 pm UTC (link)
How do you define weight-lifting as an end in itself? I wonder if I could apply the same approach to treadmilling?

Just day before yesterday I was explaining to a literature student that the rhythm of Wordsworth's The Prelude is influence by the fact that he walked while composing much of it--and that led to a explanation of the long social walk & the postprandial walk, much more common in England than here. Americans can be so extreme: recreation, even with friends, is an arduous hike or no walking. That said, I'll have to work up to even enjoying a social walk. Hmmm..but then, I might ask a few local friends if they're interested.

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Re: I have disliked the idea of doing physical things that are pointless except for being exercise.
[info]porcinea
2008-07-14 03:02 pm UTC (link)
Weight-lifting is very meditative and Zen for me. Like doing barre-work in ballet, except less aerobic. Oh! I should start with "I'm very kinaesthetic." Proprioception is massively important to me -- can be a distraction (like the part where my left toes are asleep right now, as is the patch on my calf where my legs are crossed; must shift position *wriggle*), and can also be my most relaxing ritual labor. (Cf., [info]purejuice talking about ritual labor recently.)

Feeling my body working; placing it into precise alignments and relationships, working specific muscle sets while keeping others relaxed (and ligaments aligned and all of that). What a rush. People talk about runner's high. I've never gotten that -- all I get from running is dizziness, nausea and an urgent need to pee -- but, wow, do I get it from weight-lifting.

Pig-iron, we like to call it around these parts. :-).

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Re: I have disliked the idea of doing physical things that are pointless except for being exercise.
[info]nellorat
2008-07-14 05:29 pm UTC (link)
Thanks! This plus my response to [info]aquaeri, above, make me realize just how vital moving to rhythm can be to me, despite how I've neglected it. Much as you describe "pig-iron" (tee hee) for you. I think the treadmill gets me to a point where I can enjoy that, and it partly substitutes, but after a while I probably need to augment treading with more dance-like stuff. Yet I don't always feel like spontaneously dancing. I need to dig up a copy of my routine of stretches, curls, etc. from college--that's closer to dance than treading is.

Btw, I used to be mainly proprioceptive/kinesthetic, and still am to a great extent, but have developed my auditory and visual sides more over the decades.

Edited at 2008-07-14 05:30 pm UTC

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[info]esmeraldus_neo
2008-07-14 12:24 pm UTC (link)
Peter Gabriel videos? Nifty. He's one of my very favorite artists ever (although his videos have always struck me as a little odd).

You may have seen on my journal that I watch series television on DVD while I trudge on my exercise contraption (there's no other word--it's not a treadmill, nor an elliptical trainer). But yesterday I saw an advertisement for the Wii video game system, with the "Fit" game and thought, "gee, that would take up a lot less room in my apartment..."

You might look into that. It looks low-impact and fun, and something that the family could do together if everyone finds it interesting.

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[info]nellorat
2008-07-14 01:14 pm UTC (link)
I adore Peter Gabriel! I discovered the album with "Solsbury Hill"--I had bought it but not played it & had a sudden impulse to do so--after the weird mystical/initiatory I had on April 1, 1980 or 1981, and all the songs, especially "Solsbury Hill," really spoke to me. I continue to both admire his artistry and enjoy the psyco-spititual insight of his songs.

I may check out that game. I've thought of the Dance,Dance home game, but I dunno. For now I'll stick to the treadmill, which is easier to go easy on & what I call a "transparent" activity--not fun or fulfilling, but totally not annoying, for an overall win.

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[info]esmeraldus_neo
2008-07-14 01:20 pm UTC (link)
Solsbury Hill is one of my favorites, but I like every single song on the album "Us," especially "Come Talk to Me," and "Blood of Eden." If you haven't heard them, I bet you can find them on YouTube.

I'm away from home right now, but I have DVDs of his videos and maybe a concert or two on DVD and VHS. If you remember to drop me a note at the beginning of September, I would gladly lend them to you by mail.

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[info]nellorat
2008-07-14 01:29 pm UTC (link)
Thanks--a very generous offer--but at most, I'll just ask if you have anything I don't, because anything we know of, we buy! The "Blood of Eden" video is excellent; one of my fave videos is "Digging in the Dirt"--rare enough in videos, it actually clarifies the meaning of the song. My keenest memory for "Come Talk to Me" is from a concert [info]womzilla took me to as a present, the dear!

Do you like the old Genesis albums with Gabriel? I like some & not other songs, but find "The Musical Box" delightfully eerie, and I cherish The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.

Btw, walking to "Mercy Street" led me to read some of Anne Sexton's poems last night--oddly, I've been fascinated by her biographical issues, but not read her poetry. (I'm more familiar with 17th- and 19th-century poetry than with 20th-century.) Wow! Plath is good, but Sexton is--Wow.

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[info]esmeraldus_neo
2008-07-14 01:39 pm UTC (link)
Well, I have an old special taped from television. I might be able to get that copied for you when I get back, and I could just give it to you.

The Secret World and Growing Up tours (both of which I have seen in concert) are on DVD, and there's a collection of videos called Play on DVD (all this you will find on Amazon if you haven't already got them).

I only have From Genesis to Revelation, and I haven't really listened to it, because PG is the main attraction for me, and I don't really take to unfamiliar things quickly--I'm weird like that.

One thing you probably don't have is an interview from the late 80s on CD. Now I have it in my iPod and can burn you a copy if you like. I haven't listened to it in years, but I remember that it was quite interesting.

That VHS special I mentioned was partly interview, and Gabriel mentions Bruno Bettleheim's "The Uses of Enchantment." I was susch a Gabriel fan that I popped out and read it, and it lead me to my approach to literary analysis. Funny, eh?

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[info]browngirl
2008-07-14 03:33 pm UTC (link)
I don't have any advice, but I wanted to say that this set of entries really inspired and educated me, too.

*makes notes*

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[info]wild_patience
2008-07-14 06:08 pm UTC (link)
I get a kick out of seeing older ladies in saris out walking in the morning as I'm biking to work.

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exercise and such
(Anonymous)
2008-07-19 01:53 am UTC (link)
I believe I may have met you when planning my materials at Olympiad Academia. I googled the place and your blog came up, so I have been enjoying your writing rather than reading for my night class. It is so much more fun!

I HATE to exercise. One trick that I have used is to distract myself as much as possible. As such, I will buy completely worthless magazines and only read them while I am on the treadmill/elliptical machine. Additionally, I try to increase my time a few minutes every three sessions, even if it means slowing my pace for the "bonus" time.

Best of luck with your exercising and all else. I hope to run into you in the office again to yak about fantasy novels some more!

Michelle

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